Reply to the Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction online guest post.
Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves (both aliases) is the co-founder of the Satanic Temple and one of the presenters for the Grey Faction. This article discusses the continuing attacks and online harassment of Neil Brick and S.M.A.R.T. by these groups and others.
This article represents the views of the S.M.A.R.T. Newsletter and this website.
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Reply to the Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction online guest post
Recently another article attacking S.M.A.R.T., Neil Brick and the
child abuse/ritual abuse field appeared on the Internet, called “The
Satanic Temple sent observers to a Ritual Abuse survivors’ conference.”
The article states it is a guest post and a collaboration produced by
The Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction. S.M.A.R.T. has replied to the Grey
Faction’s misinformation previously in this article:
Rebuttal to the Grey Faction Lucien Greaves presentation about SMART and additional Grey Faction information about Neil Brick
The Grey Faction’s views of the ritual abuse field and recovered memory are inaccurate.
Accurate scientific information is at:
Proof the Ritual Abuse Exists
Ritual Abuse References
Please don’t forget to read the conclusion at the end of the article.
Update: Continued bullying, online harassment, name calling
and personal attacks are occurring in the comment section under the
Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction online guest post. New aliases
believed to belong to Doug Mesner/Lucien Greaves (also aliases) continue
these comments. These comments continue to attack Neil Brick for not
allowing hands to go to the face which could be hand signals at the
One poster (defending survivors) in the comment section wrote:
“Thank you for allowing my clarification of hand signals to be
posted on the website. These signals function as post-hypnotic
suggestions, as anyone who is familiar with hypnosis will know. You
might also remember Pavlov’s dog, who salivated at the sound of a bell.
This is basic conditioning, stimulus-response. Child traffickers teach
such signals to the children they traffic and they condition these
children to respond immediately in particular ways.”
Hand signals are also discussed below.
Yet commenters below the article continue to make fun off and insult Neil Brick for this conference guideline.
The guest post has a video of Neil Brick, recorded without permission at a private conference
where video and audio recording is not permitted to protect the
anonymity of the attendees, who were rape and trauma victims. It appears
the person who recorded the video of Neil Brick misrepresented their
reasons for attending the conference and did not tell the truth about
their personal information. The video falsely insults Neil Brick by
using the word paranoid to describe his presentation. Neil presents
material backed by research during the video. The video discusses the
use of hand signals to trigger certain mind states.
It is well known in the scientific field that triggers or certain stimuli can trigger mind states and/or thought patterns.
In the modern era, Pavlov did extensive research on classical
conditioning, where a conditioned stimuli produces a conditioned
response. His dogs would salivate when they heard a bell without the
presence of food. More complex conditioning can be done on human beings.
It is well known that PTSD flashbacks can be triggered by certain stimuli
(like sounds, smells or colors) in veterans, trauma and accident
survivors. These survivors may totally believe they are back in the
trauma situation and react as if they are in that situation. This is
similar to the programmed triggers discussed in the conference and their
An article written by Neil Brick describes this phenomenon:
How Cues and Programming Work in Mind Control and Propaganda
“Programming is similar to this in several ways. A survivor may be
tortured repeatedly until an new alter is created. This alter will be
given a cue to let them know when to come out, this could be a smell,
word, number, sound, color and so on. This cue is either paired with the
alter’s creation and is given to the alter to listen for or to look
The Grey Faction’s guest post makes other factually inaccurate statements.
The article calls these bizarre, irrational and paranoid claims. But are they?
1) “Your spouse or your lover is not to be trusted” as they may be
used by the cult to control the victim. The reality is that many famous
cults use this technique frequently. Some people are used to report back
to the cult on their spouse. Others are used to remind people of what
will happen if they leave the cult.
2) “using trauma-based mind-control to completely subjugate their
victims, begin programming victims at the earliest possible age.” This
is very possible. It is well known that very early childhood trauma can
destabilize a victim and make them susceptible to attachment, anxiety,
mood and trauma disorders.
3) In “the conference there was a….prohibition against touching one’s
face.” Touching one’s face can be a triggered just like Pavlov’s dogs
hearing a bell or a war veteran hearing a firecracker and having a
The guest post states: “Researchers have found that the average
individual touches her/his face 3.6 times per hour.” It describes that
this is a natural, human behavior.
This does not mean touching one’s face cannot be used a conditioned
stimuli, just like a firecracker could trigger a flashback in a veteran
or a bell could trigger Pavlov’s dogs. Anything can be a conditioned
stimuli, including hand signals.
4) The guest post discusses that Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID)
may be intentionally induced as a means of mind-control. There is
scientific evidence this is true. Journal articles and scientific
research discussing this phenomenon are at https://ritualabuse.us
5) Cults may look for former members in different social and clinical
settings. This has been verified by many trauma survivors. The article
states “This served as a way to discredit medical professionals outside
of” certain ritual abuse survivor groups. This is not true and no
statements were made to this effect at the conference.
6) The guest post stated “Ritual Abuse was presented throughout the
conference as the first place to start when investigating any personal
ailment, rather than a last option after all avenues of modern medicine
are exhausted.” This is totally false. Professionals recommend ruling
out medical causes before looking at mental health causes. It is true
that trauma may cause certain health symptoms. This is discussed and
well researched in the very large study: Adverse Childhood Experiences
“Childhood experiences, both positive and negative, have a tremendous
impact on future violence victimization and perpetration, and lifelong
health and opportunity.”
7) The guest post states “Therapy is not a quest for truth, and the
reality of what may or may not have happened is irrelevant.” The guest
post states this is an absurd claim. A doctor may be more concerned
about fixing a broken leg than finding out the cause of why it was
broken and proving whether this cause is true or not. Another doctor may
be more concerned about stopping an infection than finding out the
cause. Therapy is the same. Symptom relief is often the most important
goal of therapy. In other words, if a client suffers from depression,
the goal is to decrease their depression symptoms. This may or may not
entail discussing the symptoms’ causes and it is unlikely there would be
an investigation of the reasons why the person is depressed.
8) The guest post states therapy should help “provid(e) mental health
consumers with the cognitive tools to distinguish fantasy from
reality.” The important question here is what is fantasy, and what is
reality. Child abuse skeptics do not believe these ritual abuse crimes
exist, and this belief is inaccurate. It would be inappropriate to
promote this false skeptical belief.
9) The guest post states: “Whenever someone tried to ask about
efforts to catch the cults and bring them to justice, the presenters
turned it around by claiming that the cults are too secretive and far
reaching to expose and that their primary focus as therapists and ritual
abuse survivor advocates is to heal the victim rather than go after the
abusers.” How would one go after the abusers if these crimes happened
30 or more years ago? The other problem is getting adequate support to
bring perpetrators to justice. It sometimes took decades to bring the
Catholic Church, certain Satanic groups and even Bill Cosby to justice,
even though there were many victims and some came forward to authorities
and were ignored. Of course, bringing the perpetrators to justice would
be the best idea, but inaccurate skeptical articles like the guest post
make this more difficult.
10) The guest post states; “[one is advised not to] try to understand
why these cults do the horrible things they do.” Actually this was
discussed at times during the conference. But more importantly,
stopping these crimes and helping the victims of these crimes comes
The article repeats Doug Mesner’s (alias Lucien Greaves) claims about
a vendor table at the 2009 Connecticut conference selling hats meant to
block out electromagnetic signals. These were sold for health reasons.
Doug did not tell conference coordinators he was coming to the
2009 conference to write an article, nor did he state he was a
journalist. Since the conference was for rape survivors, the
media was not allowed to attend to protect the conference attendees’
anonymity and safety.
S.M.A.R.T. replied to this in our “Douglas Misicko alias Douglas Mesner update 6” article.
Doug Mesner (alias Lucien Greaves) repeated the fact that one display
table out of many at the conference had a hat (as well as many other
items) used to protect the wearer from electromagnetism. He took this
one thing totally out of proportion to attack the conference. He used
this to attack and insult our conference and our work, ignoring the
strong research base backing the reality of ritual abuse and the many
presentations at our conference verifying the reality of ritual abuse.
In the original article, he used the terms “lunacy” and “delusional
assertions” to further insult the work of S.M.A.R.T. Mr. Mesner
continues taking facts out of context and using these to disparage Neil
Brick and S.M.A.R.T.
The guest post states: “Combating child sexual abuse and human
trafficking are unquestionably noble causes.” Yet it appears that the
Grey Faction and Doug Mesner spend much more time attacking child abuse
survivors and their stories, than combating them.
Ellen Lacter wrote an interesting article a few years ago called
“Common Forms of Misinformation and Tactics of Disinformation
about Psychotherapy for Trauma Originating in Ritual Abuse and Mind
Control” December 18, 2012.
This page on my website seeks to expose a number of common forms of
misinformation and tactics of disinformation about psychotherapy for
trauma originating in ritual abuse and mind control. Disinformation is
distinguished from misinformation in that it is intentionally
fraudulent. Misinformation and disinformation about ritual abuse
and mind control trauma and psychotherapy to treat such trauma appear
in both paper and electronic media, but are particularly abundant on the
Internet on websites of individuals and organizations,
bookseller reviews, blogs, newsletters, online encyclopedias, social
networking sites, and e-group listservs…..Disclaimer: This page neither
cites, quotes, names, nor alludes to any specific paper or electronic
articles or statements by individual. Any similarity between examples of
misinformation or disinformation used herein and actual articles or
other statements is purely coincidental. http://endritualabuse.org/activism/misinfo/
The guest post then goes on to attack Neil Brick. It discussed how a
complaint was filed against Neil Brick’s licensure in Massachusetts.
This was filed by an out of state party that did not know Neil Brick
professionally or personally. An previous online video discusses how the
complaint was filed through one of their Grey Faction members and to
his licensing board and they dismissed the complaint without prejudice.
The complaint was dismissed and Neil Brick was found fit to
practice with sound moral character after a full year of review from
several sources. SMART believes these type of complaints may be part of a harassment campaign to silence anti-child abuse advocates and helpers.
The guest post states: Neil Brick “had claimed that he’d committed rape and murder while in an altered state of mind.” Neil
Brick does write about being forced as a small child to kill in a cult.
This was against his will and many others have written about being
forced to kill as children in cults and gangs. It is incorrect
to extrapolate this further as an issue of moral character or adult
competency. Children are victims forced to do things. We would not blame
a child forced to hit another child by an adult. Nor would we blame or
question the grown child now fully grown who was forced to do this.
The guest post discusses Neil Brick’s statement about cult members
trying to look normal to find former cult members to possibly victimize.
Most criminals and people who want to hurt others want to look normal. A
thief would not have a sign stating “thief” on them. Likewise, one
wanting to hurt a cult member or survivor would not want to indicate
they are doing this. It makes sense to look for other indicators to
check a person out. This is similar to a person who is a victim of
violence as a child checking out a partner thoroughly to make sure they
do not become a victim of domestic violence as an adult.
In conclusion, the guest post by the Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction
criticizes the strong research and theories of ritual abuse survivors
and those with years of research, experience and education in the trauma
field. (The members of the Grey Faction have unknown credentials and
may not have the experience to accurately determine trauma theory and
research.) The guest post by the Satanic Temple’s Grey Faction presents inaccurate arguments, which are refuted in this article. The
Grey Faction claims they are combating pseudoscience with rational
inquiry, but this “rational inquiry” is actually predetermined opinion,
bolstered by name calling, ad hominem attacks and insults. There is no
real “rational inquiry” because there is no evidence that all of the
facts were looked at neutrally to derive a conclusion. It appears the
only facts considered were the ones that back their arguments. In its
articles, the Grey Faction hides behind the name of science and
rationality, when in reality it appears it is an advocacy organization
used to discredit ritual abuse survivors realities’ and their resources.
Update: David Shurter has been repeatedly making factually inaccurate statements about S.M.A.R.T. and Neil Brick, some that are incredibly bizarre in nature. David Shurter makes the entirely false statement that a survivor was removed from the Survivorship conference. This is entirely untrue. No survivors were removed from this conference or any Survivorship or S.M.A.R.T. conference.
David Shurter makes another false statement that Survivorship allowed
the person who infiltrated the conference and filmed speakers without
permission to stay. This is also false. They were removed from the
conference. Sadly, David Shurter states he agrees with Lucien Greaves
and the Grey Faction about Neil Brick, a group that has attacked
survivors and their supporters. David Shurter makes false statements
about the North American Truth and Reconciliation Coalition
(NATRC). David Shurter makes the false statement that Neil attacks other
survivors’ conferences. This is totally untrue.
The reality is that David Shurter has attacked several survivor
organizations viciously and many people in the survivor movement do not
trust him at all anymore.
A good article to read about this is: Evolving as a Movement – Taking a Step Forward http://neilbrick.com/articles/evolving-as-a-movement-taking-a-step-forward/
“Survivors that publicly attack other child or ritual abuse
advocates are not helping others nor are they helping the movement move
forward. The child abuse “skeptics” watch these attacks, promote
and encourage them and benefit from them. Survivor resources are only
destroyed more by these attacks. Certain members of the survivor movement are sent to the movement to disable the movement in different ways.
Some are programmed to attack others. Their goals (usually unknown to
them) is to fragment the movement and destroy legitimate sources of
education and support for survivors.
It appears that this may apply to David Shurter. David Shurter’s attacks have hurt the survivor movement. We recommend reading this article to find out more about this. Evolving as a Movement – Taking a Step Forward http://neilbrick.com/articles/evolving-as-a-movement-taking-a-step-forward/
David Shurter has continued making false statements about Neil Brick and S.M.A.R.T. David Shurter writes "he and his group are deperately (sic) trying to associate me with them." This is absolutely false. S.M.A.R.T. and Neil Brick have made no efforts whatsoever to contact David Shurter, work with David Shurter in any way or "associate" with David Shurter. David Shurter closes his post with another insult toward Neil Brick "Brick can kiss my ass- but I don’t want his hairy monkey lips anywhere near me." David Shurter previously made additional erroneous statements about Neil Brick and his research. David Shurter stated "MANY secret groups- 20 of them or so are run by a man named Neil Brick- who are telling survivors that they can be mass programmed by hand signals- that bad guys are everywhere, behind every bush." There is absolutely no truth to this statement by David Shurter either. Neil nor anyone connected to S.M.A.R.T. has ever stated there are "bad guys everywhere" nor are there 20 secret groups run by Neil or anyone else he works with.